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FILE: REVI: - [20_22/10/08;21:47:31.00]:. - abstract to own document. - [20_22/10/09;13:31:33.00]:. - various edits and expansions. - [20_22/10/15;22:24:11.00]:. - add document footer. - convert to segment form. TITL: *Substrate Games:* *Different Substrate, Different Needs* *By Forrest Landry* *Oct 9th, 2022*. ABST: - as comparing the substrate needs of any general artificial intelligence as distinguished from substrate needs for/of all other life on planet earth. TEXT: Most of the environmental conditions that AI variants would need/require to reproduce themselves (make more AGI, APS, superintelligent automated systems, etc, and/or are required in the interim for/by humans to bootstrap build automated machine build machines) are *very* different in lots of ways than those conditions needed contextually to support carbon based reproduction cycles (ie, for as to create new humans). Nearly all artificial intelligence substrates depend on manufacturing in ambient environmental aspects that involve significant extremes. - for example; as needed to melt silicon at more than 1400 deg C, and also a near total absence oxygen/water, (except as needed to deliver carcinogenic chemicals, etc). Such AGI preferred self creation and preferred operating conditions are inherently inhospitable/toxic to our carbon based wetware/life. These end up being the conditions that AGI/APS variants would also need for more efficient hardware runtime. Ie; for AGI/APS to run (store/compute and sense/output agency) the newly produced solid-state hardware will also have needs that strongly diverge from the conditions that humans (and all other kinds of life) will need to survive. Where listing some of the important environmental condition differences:. - 1; *Extreme Raised Temperatures*. - as to provide activation energy for melting silicon and other elements as needed for chemical reactions. - that Silicon's high electron binding energy usually makes it look like an inert rock. - silicon dioxide melts like lava, at greater than 1400 deg C. - that purifying silicon ingots and drawing atoms into a single-crystal lattice takes place in a furnace at around 1600 deg C. - that the biological assembly of carbon atoms (chains of carbon-carbon bonds with side-bonds to oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen) in human bodies proceeds at ~37 deg C. - 2; *Extreme Lower Temperatures*. - as to permit more energy-efficient, higher clock-frequency computation, (when at runtime, as distinguished from new AGI "make"/build time). - that cooling hardware below -50 deg C will lower electrical resistance of conductor wires. - 3; *Reduced/Absent water*. - water accelerates metal rust and short-circuits currents over wires. - that all carbon-coded lifeforms need to have lots of water to exist. - that some species need to immerse themselves in water to live at all. - that carbon-centered molecular chains (etc) travel and react through H2O solutions. - 4; *Reduced/Absent Oxygen*. - ie; reacts with metals to form rust. - where Unlike with electronic hardware, that we humans need oxygen to keep functioning. - 5; *Abundance of synthesized chemicals*. - and their precursors, and the sorts of reaction environments needed to make, use, store, transport, etc, all of that inorganic chemistry. - that these sorts of compounds are needed for producing hardware. - that semiconductor production currently uses around 430 chemicals. - that 8% of these are known carcinogens, and many others are simply toxic/poisonous. - 6; *Remove of all sources of small contaminants*. - as needing perfectly dust free environments. - ie; that anything that produces dust (ie; all animals, plants, insects, microbes, etc) must be removed from the clean room environments for the silicon substrate microchips to be made. - 7; *Remove all "Disruptions"*. - ie; as all sources of mechanical shock, vibration, noise, etc. - as causing the ultra-precise atomic scale forces and processes to render CPU features correctly, etc. - as excluding all non-machine processes/life. - 8; *Remove all Radiation*. - ie; all sources of ambient light, (might be the wrong color/frequency, and hence disrupt sensitive build/operations). - also, must remove radiation and radioactive materials, extra ambient electromagnetic noise, strong static and magnetic fields, etc. - where in proportion to their smallness, that transistor bit flips (errors) increase with any ambient sources of radiation. - that this generally requires very high purity ceramics, sources of inorganic compounds, etc. - that deep compute substrates tend to prefer absolute dark/blackness as their build environment, aside from when they need really intense light, sometimes in the far ultraviolet (harmful to people) to implement lithography masking for microchips, etc. - 9; And there are many other, subtler, and/or less obvious conditions of the environment, that are needed for APS/AGI/compute hardware. - where unlike humans; that hardware functioning is fragile to disruption to long supply chains of electricity generation, manufacturing, and mining and ore processing. - that humans/animals can reproduce with the resources found within a local quarter mile. - that machines and microchips need the combined resources and coordination of six contents and the industrial efforts of something like a billion people, to maintain all of that artificial infrastructure needed to support machine reproduction, etc. - as that surely, some superintelligence will notice that fragility and take strong steps to correct those "deficiencies". That the net effect is that the kinds of contexts that AGI/APS/superintelligence would want to live in, and/or actually needs for its own process, reproduction, etc, is actually very very different than the sorts of environments/contexts in which nature/ecosystems/life tends to thrive in. ~ ~ ~ :hbe > Why is the temperature difference such a big deal?. The basic point is, where over some smallish number of cycles of the ecosystem itself, that there is a strict energy inequality between the 'silicon based' chemistry/process and the 'carbon based' chemistry/process such that the optimization/utility process of one of them is fundamentally disrupted by the other. Because silicon build/operating chemistry/process, inherent to the overall "life cycle" of AGI, which is overall silicon based, and/or, at least artificial, carbon life toxic, etc, is inherently hotter and more extreme than the operating/build chemistry/process inherent to the overall "life cycle" of all carbon based chemistry/process, which is overall, much narrower and lower energy, than machine substrate requirements. Also, just looking at it from an elemental perspective, that artificial machines, systems, etc, (for AGI/APS) will use a much larger fraction of the total elemental alphabet (of the periodic table), and in much larger proportions, than anything that is carbon based life, So in other words, normally, if you are looking at a situation of a contest between two ecosystems or between two warring parties, (or anything conceptually resembling that), that the dynamic is going to be one of attempting to determine to what degree one optimization process will undermine the other, in addition to what optimization process can just simply 'win out' over the other. Ie, that inter-ecosystem dynamics more resemble war like conditions than not. There is a strict inequality of power relationships between the two ecosystems, such that the silicon-based ecosystem can operate over a substantially much wider range of temperatures and pressures -- such that the viability of the carbon-based ecosystem is just completely not happening at all. In other words, the optimization dynamic of a carbon-based system does not even get a chance to run. So in this sense, between the two of them, it is essentially a no-contest situation: carbon chemistry (and thus, all of life) tends to loose out to artificial/inorganic silica based chemistry. This is bad news. :hdl > So your saying that superintelligent agents > inherently need/want a completely different > kind of environment, for both making and operating, > and that the kinds of environment that such > artificial substrates want/need > is inherently artificial/different > than what natural life/people need > in order to continue to live. - where for faster compute; and where the machine system component features are even more small, microscopic, detailed, etc; the more that *all* sources of system disruption must be removed from the environment. - where in other words; that the APS/AGI components are sensitive the environment in which they work, and will thus seek to build enclosures and protections for themselves. - that these enclosures will inherently inhibit their operation, leading to game theoretic considerations (ie, operational disadvantages due to mismatch with their operating environment, relative to the match of biological life to earth planet context). - hence, they will increasingly want to shift the larger basic environment (the Planet) to be more "natural" to their own nature -- which happens to be very problematic for actual "nature nature" -- ie, humans and animals and ecosystems, etc. - that increasingly fast/optimized hardware needs to be produced and operated in its own special environment (eg; clean-rooms) protected from dust, mechanical shock, static electricity, low-level ambient radiation, etc. - that fine detail circuitry of both brains and microchips need protection from the raw elements. - But microchips (of whatever chemical substrate) have inherently different sensitivities, and needs, than that of organic life. :hf6 > Can AGI run their code on carbon-nanotube chips? > if we did that, then they would be carbon-based too. Silicon is appx 1400x more abundant than carbon on Earth, and is the current production standard. Yes, the computational substrate could be moved to other (more efficient) substrates, like some sort of carbon-silicon composite, or other III-V atom-based lattices, or transition metals bonded with a non-metal, etc. The trend here is for chemists to assemble more complicated substrates more reaction steps away from molecules found in nature (ie; that life is adapted to). That all of these "advances" are forms of artificiality which effectively (inherently) end up being (in some way) toxic. In effect, all of these reproduction/manufacturing techniques are all, somewhere, needing/using a lot of the human-lethal environmental conditions, as listed in partial summary above, along with a lot of artificial/unnatural/inorganic chemicals (all effectively toxins, in one form or another), to be produced and preserved into as more (efficient) solid-state hardware. Pure carbon nanotube chips are no exception (one nuance: they can be produced at a lower temperature of 120 deg C, so at least somewhat of an improvement, if it were not for all of the other problems, any one of which is fatal to organic life). The basic problem remains -- that changes to the environment basically cannot not represent a kind of x-risk to the existing environment -- the one that we happen to need to continue to live. No matter how you shift the "assembly techniques" of AGI, APS, etc, that this basic fact remains, due to the very notion of artificality itself. :menu If you want/need to send us an email, with questions, comments, etc, on this document, and/or on related matters, use this address: ai@mflb.com (@ Mode Switch com.op_mode_tog_1();) + (@ View Source com.op_notepad_edit_1();) Back to the (@ Area Index https://mflb.com/ai_alignment_1/index.html). LEGA: Copyright (c) of the non-quoted text, 2022, by Forrest Landry. 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